Sadly, it is no miracle. ". In other words, you did not know the cause and effect of things, and thought you were doing it in your own power, not pointing people to Him. For more information see the About this Website page below the comments section. Secondly I remember well how Derek Prince when he held healing and deliverance meetings would always begin by praying for one or two folk with legs of uneven length. But let Gods people yield to Jesus and let their Jesus light shine out of them and the world will begin to hate Gods people, will begin to respect Gods people, will begone to fear Gods people and multitudes will begin to LISTEN TO GODS PEOPLE for the lost sheep will begin hear the voice of the Shepherd IN HIS PEOPLE AND WILL FOLLOW HIM. I think it is entirely possible that Holy Spirit may answer the prayers and heal the person involved as a means of authenticating the message of the Gospel. Were the Hebrews experiencing New Age phenomena in the wilderness? Torben Sondergaard is a Danish pastor who is facing extraordinary persecution for exercising his Christian faith. Barry, prior to the statement above, you mentioned how Jesus would do things in a certain way, which would bring out the skeptics. Like just maybe he wants His fire burning, and not that of others? Everything was dependent on the Spirits uniting men to God through their faith. I would point also to Mathew 24:24 where Jesus says that even the elect will be deceived by false prophets performing signs and wonders. That was my concern when I read that long, complicated, history focussed misguiding information posted by Chas351. But it takes a lot of hard work, time, and money to do what we do. My only goal is that all would come to a point of repentance and that our Lord Jesus Christ would be glorified. Love you all in the LordLightning Storm, you sure do keep me on my toes. Home. Jonathan Yet another person who watched the first 30 seconds of the video and ignored the rest. A GLOWING FACE that appears WEIRD enough to scare others They have been caught lying and now they are backtracking and removing videos as fast as they can. [8] Lack of healing is caused by a lack of faith which is Word of Faith doctrine to the core. Let me give you an example. If it is truly the work of the Holy Spirit, then why wouldnt those healed recognize this and repent and declare Jesus as Lord? Guess most like the overblown antics that most of todays healers/preachers do. Jesus was circumcised when he was 8 days old, and He was baptised by John the Baptist when He was 30. A few things really stick out for me in this video, but dont run away after reading the below, stick around to the end of article for the best of this mans doctrine. Jesus healed in the synagogue too. By Michael Ashcraft -. For, behold, the darkness shall cover the earth, and gross darkness the people: but the Lord shall arise upon thee, and his glory shall be seen upon thee. Trenton its better to show a little wisdom and not say anything but spend some time in prayer and seek the mind of the Lord, then to say something you will regret later when God reveals all things. So I am going to be featuring a lot more of Torbens stuff on here. Past revivals, like doves dung, are excellent fertilizer as we study its revelations, but we are to SEEK FRESH REVELATION in each generation. (Galatians 5:15 NASB), If you slander Gods children then God doesnt like it , I would rather stay silent about someone than slander them. He may think he is, but it may be otherwise. The simplicity, the sincerity & humbleness is so refreshing to see. Jhn 17:16 NASB They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. If on the other hand a man (like Torbin) comes doing miracles in Jesus name preached the message of the cross of Christ , calls for repentance and faith alone in Christ Jesus and whose godly lifestyle can be verified by those in the community who have know him personally THAT MAN IS SENT BY GOD! Jesus hasnt changed! In Luke 9:49, 50, John said, Master we saw a man casting out demons in your name, and we forbade him because he does not follow with us. But Jesus said to him, Do not forbid him, for he that is not against you is for you. John wanted the disciples to monopolize the truth among themselves and exclude all those who did not belong to his group. Just like the Torben says he is doing what God told him to do, you prove to us that he is not ! Sadly, Torben chose to include the oldest parlor trick in the book, making someones supposedly shorter leg grow longer. But I have A bush that burns but is never consumed Jonathan, as a born again believer/a Christian, I eagerly await the soon return of the Lord Jesus Christ WHO IS returning for me/us/ Christians, to take us to the mansions that He has prepared for us (John 14:2), Paul said Was it not God who originated each miracle and the devils servants Jannes and Jambres who were the copycats ? Sondergaard, as he prayed for the sick on the streets and in the Rom 12:4 For as we have many members in one body, and all members have not the same office: Rom 12:5 So we, [being] many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another. I think he purposely included those leg lengthening healings to scandalize and expose the hearts of the skeptics. (Hebrews 9:22). That is a place where the sick could experience salvation and healing. In one of those statements what Paul feared was that they were departing from the simplicity that is in Christ. He told the story that immediately after he was born again, he read the scripture saying to lay hands on the sick and they shall recover. I arose to go to him but found my body was trembling so violently that I had great difficulty in walking across the room, and especially in controlling the trembling of my hands and arms. Upon his arrival in the U.S. in 2019, Sndergaard immediately applied for asylum and set up his residence in California while he grew his ministry. This move of God will not be among a hyper spiritual exclusive fringe group of religiois zealots but will be among the grassroots culturally mainstream families among regular moms and dads, children, marketplace workers, friends and nieghbours . Thank you for the clarification Andrew! I do find it interesting how everyone attacks those trying to bring people into the knowledge of the truth. Frankly, if I would have seen this first, I would seriously reconsider my opinion of Andrew Strom. The Hebrews had been praying for over 400 years and received no freedom from their judgment of slaverythey were filled with UNBELIEF. If we do that then His work brings death to us. This is why our judgment should be, only on the fruits of the persons life; not on the power being displayed; and one of those fruits is their love, respect and reverence for the Lord in seeking to please Him by following His Instructions, not their idea of what it is to love Him, and expect Him to be pleased. I can perform this trick myself. Holy Spirit encouragement is rare these days. You are so hungry for the real thing that any little trick will do. See also John 1:12-13. Also available on most smart TVs and streaming services. When I have worked in our garden the whole day, my body picks up dirt, mud and muck and do not need to go to Jesus to ask Him to cleanse me. Lets have a look at Acts 19 shall we to see what the Bible has to say, not what Torben has to say: Acts 19:1-7 1 And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples, 2 He said to them, Have you received the Holy Ghost since you believed? Regarding sending out new believers to heal people, I dont see the parallels to that in the New Testament. However, I watched the second video first. One of these deceivers is Torben Sondergaard from last reformation so-called. He claims that " about 90 percent of all the people, that he or others in his team pray for, are healed". I praise God for the healing that God does through him and yet my heart is saddened by the lack of healing for saints suffering in the Church. Well, after reading about their prophetic training ministry (which is almost identical to Rick Joyners) and reading the SOZO handbook (which is new age mixed with Christianity for Johnsons healing rooms) and many testimonies, I have more than enough to warn my friend. mania in recent times, it is very easy to become cynical about The prophet Isaiah said, arise and let your light shine.. As to his methods of making YouTube videos and posting them, why shouldnt he. I believe the purpose of Torbens video is to show how to make disciples, take them out on the street to pray and witness. Marilyn. Spend longer, check things out better before calling people names. People who obsess about theological nuances like demonic possession and baptism tend to produce the same division they are complaining about. Praise the Lord! Nothing wrong with asking questions. There is something ABOUT GOD HIMSELF that we dont believe. But This is how His Kingdom comes in the earth! When He praised the faith of people, it was not because of their orthodox theology, or the fact that they belonged to some organization, but on account of their simple faith in His person, http://awildernessvoice.com/OneBodyInChrist-Chapt06.html, Roger..Absolutely Beautiful. I appreciate what you are saying about being in God`s presence. And to go forward into the `true,` is to `know Christ more,` as the Apostle Paul & Roger, here, have encouraged us to do. That is a result of a lack of intemacy with our Lord!!!! Why cant people see this? We never see any of the apostles commissioning new believers to go out and do this. Jhn 17:12 NASB While I was with them, I WAS KEEPING THEM in Your name which You have given Me; and I guarded them and not one of them perished but the son of perdition, so that the Scripture would be fulfilled. (Matthew 3:11-12) John the Baptist says: I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance:but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear:he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire: 12 Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire. Sndergaard regards receiving the Holy Spirit as having substituted receiving Jesus.[25]. Jesus said greater works than these shall you do! He carries the burden of a broken heart. I also believe, and this falls in line with the Wilkerson article, that a specific outpouring is coming where the miracles of God are going to be so manifest and evident and powerful that no one will ever be able to deny them. If Bill truly is of God, he has a lot of very strange and new age things he is allowing to take place in his church. The man ran upon the platform and around the room. Seymour replied, Im just upset because you have the wooden leg on. Redacted government documents surrounding his arrest can be viewed here at friendsoftorben.com. Outline of Biblical Usage, https://www.blueletterbible.org/lexicon/g908/kjv/tr/0-1/. Do you remember the incident of the woman who touched the hem of Jesus garment? But they sought God in prayer and fasting and rose up believing. so-called information. 18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Its obvious from these verses that those performing these counterfeit miracles do so under the honest belief that they are doing them in the name of Jesus, but God is clear that they are not. God plants us as good seed WHERE HE WANTS US IN HIS FIELD- then we simply let Jesus shine out from us and people in the fields around us come running. They have also filed a defamation lawsuit against a North Carolina man who Sndergaard's legal team claims has been publishing false information about the Danish preacher. How about this MAGIC TRICK: FINDING A GOLD COIN IN A FISHS MOUTH! Another thing that delineates the two from one another is the issue of simplicity, this is very important, and I have been asking the Lord to define simplicity as HE means it, because I dont know how to capture it in words, but I think it does at least partly have to do with the right hand not knowing what the left is doing, as well as being CAREFUL not to make an idol of the things of God, the miracles, etc. I really dont think hes a charlatan, I just think we SERIOUSLY need to consider not doing things that look like trickery. To me when I was less aware of how He is working through my brothers and sisters was when I put Him in a box more, thinking that He used everyone pretty much the same. Both of these ditches are equally dangerous. Torben is clear-headed, informed, and full of compassion for those persecuting him. Ezekiel 34: 20 Therefore thus says the Lord God to them: Behold, I Myself will judge between the fat and the lean sheep. He believes this is a vital part of true disciple- Sometimes the leg is genuinely shorter and physicaly lengthens, sometimes the back or pelvic area is being healed and the subsequent rotation causes the legs to even out. Can look my daughters and my wife in the eye. It very well could be true, but the video itself leaves many questions unanswered. And so, he just did what the bible said for him to do. Later, an ICE spokesman told CBN News that Sndergaard was arrested for overstaying his visa. Could you ever imagine Jesus holding up a persons legs, showing the legs to be different sizes? Please check your information and try again or call us at 1-800-759-0700. http://www.apostasywatch.com/Wolves/WolfReports/BillJohnsonBethelChurchReddingCa/WARNINGBILLJOHNSONandBETHELCHURCH/tabid/260/Default.aspx. The Cloud of Glory Presence led them by day. The nature of deception is that those being deceived arent aware they are being deceived. The MANIFESTATIONS of demons are NORMAL when people are praying for DELIVERANCE AND CASTING THEM OUT. Paul was always on guard for the church and admonishing and warning constantly with the help of the Holy Spirit, and with good reason. Mental facilities will be empty because everyone will be given a sound mind, just like the man with the legion of demons in him. God. May we look beyond the instrument and method that Almighty God will choose to use at His discretion and give Him the glory and recognition for His involvement in our individual lives..? Step 3. I have just posted In all the videos, I dont see evidence in those being healed of being brought to repentance and an acknowledgement of Jesus as Lord. Andrew and Torben, you are positively RIGHT ON! We have almost lost the ability to discern. preached. Thank you for letting the power of God be shown . 2)God can do what HE SAID HE CAN DO 2 As I thought about this story of unchurched people coming to US I remembered how many times in gospels it says, they came to Jesus to. Or they brought to Jesus a man who. We dont have to make it happen- God will bring people to Jesus IN US if only we will yield to Jesus and let Him use us!!! MIRACLES ARE A MUST! When they came back to the disciples, they saw a large crowd around them, and some scribes arguing with them. 2000 years agp the worldly people called Yeshuas followers Christians. [3] VIDEO MIRACLES AT WALMART Please Watch!! The Youth and Children of Azusa Street Tell Their Stories Retold by Brother Tommy. This is very subjective and there is absolutely no way for anyone watching the video to say with certainty if these healings are genuine or not, based on just watching the video. Very bad thing to lead off with. Upon Sndergaard's arrival in the U.S. in 2019, he immediately applied for asylum and set up his residence in California while he grew his ministry. They watched how the Lord sent them into the Land and took victory over and over. post any of these things on my website without rafts of cynical There may have been those that didnt respond in love and in a true biblical manner to honestly test the spirits, but to generalize anyone who didnt believe the video as true biblical healing as a cynic was wrong to do. I also believe that `experiencing,` comes through being changed into His likeness, which is the most amazing work of God in our lives. This has all transpired over the course of 8 weeks. I am having such a hard time accepting that the word WEIRD only applies to the demonic. I hate those gift inventories for this reason. Even in our disagreements we need to be glorifying God in all that we do. This why I said that you dont know me and you know absolutely nothing of my life. When my dad died, I lost it and wept, my emotions were running wild and I was broken. etc. A man was in the corner with his shirt off screaming inaudibly at a mirror and writhing about as if he was on fire. Because they have slowly over time been taught and have become habituated to WIERDSVILLE . Torben believes in taking new Christians out on the street very quickly to pray for the sick and share the gospel. As Jeff Moore so elegantly wrote, Why should the Devil have all the good music? Besides which, you dont hear this kind of thing preached. POLITICS is RUINING CHRISTIANITY by Andrew Strom, SHOCKING BIBLE STUDY The Lost Foundations by Andrew Strom, YOUNG BELIEVERS HEAL THE SICK Torben Sondergaard. Rather, it is the Holy Spirit authenticating the message I gave to you about Jesus Christ. Literally what to do to get Although not perfect, Andrew is not afraid to call out those who are preaching a false gospel, and that is something I respect him for and have supported him for. and acknowledges the Catholic Church from1:42 in the video. So while we dont put God in a box, I dont think we should ignore everything that we are told about the various gifts and parts either. The Baptism of the Holy Spirit is just the beginning to the spiritual and supernatural journey -we go on to work out our salvation with fear and trembling. Read this article: http://www.chirobase.org/06DD/activator.html. Jda016, you are absolutely right on in your discernment above..it is witchcraft. Torben Sndergaard hijacks you on the spot, does a willy nilly prayer with you, lays hands on you in the street, or dunks you under water at a baptism, a demon manifests (but does not actually leave), and then he lays hands on you again and forces that Spirit of FIRE into you until you speak in tongues, which according toTorben Sndergaard proves you are now truly saved. Correction What I see here is a man willing to walk in obedience to what Jesus told us to do and yet some want to stone him to death. Andrew J Horton, you said I didnt see anything weird or suspect or new age or whatever in any of these YouTube videos . They will walk into a childrens hospital and clear it out, even patients who had chemo for cancer will have their hair grow back. This goes for others also, not just Trenton, who have commented on Bill Johnson in this thread above, When you make comments about people who are actually your brothers and sisters in the Lord and say publically that they are not and condemn and run them down you are actually condemning and running down Jesus because He stands with them He is one spirit with them just as He is one spirit with you if you belong to Him, When you do this you fight against yourself, So if you cant say, The Holy Spirit told me regarding Bill Johnson in a negative way then I suggest that you dont say anything negative about him at all but take your concerns to the Lord in prayer and support him in prayer, I dont sense from any of the comments made by anyone above about Bill Johnson that any of you (commenters) have done this, But this is what scripture tells you to do, If you think you are spiritual then you are meant to be able to restore someone who you think is caught in a fault with a spirit of meekness thats the proof of your spirituality I dont see that in the comments made about Bill Johnson above, We need to be careful we are those who believe in the Lord one family. (Luke 24: 27), And isn`t this what Andrew Strom is encouraging us to do, Paul Benson A Bottomless Bucket (Part 5), Paul Benson An anti-Dispensational Bottomless Bucket (Part 4), Verily,verily,I sayunto thee,Excepta manbe bornof, ,he cannotenterintothe kingdomof God., These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have, Latter Rain Teaching / Dominionism / Kingdom Now, page recently and I find it very interesting, https://www.youtube.com/user/DanishEvangelist, The Biblical Holy Spirit vs. Thank God for this man from Scandinavia who was prepared to get out the boat and walk on water! 1.Tom & Deborah, are you really saying that the baptism(Immersion) in water has no more power, does not form part of the Gospel & is worthless & can be disregarded completely? But I guess repentance is too much to hope for. An ICE spokesman told CBN News that Sndergaard was arrested for overstaying his Visa. After ministry, the leg grew out. WHO does the KEEPING? I believe Torben has been shown a number of things that are Bill Johnsons ministry could not save her and she died. Not as playthings, not as things we use and do with as WE (flesh) please. We walked out because we felt so oppressed. There are other keys but it is good to get used to using one for awhile first. TLR is a classic cult and Torben Sondergaard is a classic cult leader. A glory cloud rose up at Johnsons church (there is even a youtube video of it) which many say was Gods glory falling and others showed it to be just glitter ( I think of Gods glory falling in past revivals and before Israel and how it brought their faces to the floor). happen when this is done. Exd 4:7 KJV And he said, Put thine hand into thy bosom again. 23:25). And here I`m thinking of those around that I know & learn from in daily life. If we should respect simple grammar and honour the first mentioned in sentences, it means that one must first be saved by water before you can receive the Holy Spirit. Revelation shows that, in the end, people will curse God because of the plagues yet still refuse to repent. And Christ is still healing, comforting, bearing our sorrows & griefs, through Torben, Barry, you & me & thousands upon thousands throughout the world. If and when I ever go public with my deeds, then you can test me to see if it is of the Lord. Im actually surprised the way Andrew responded. What you said is correct. The apostles werent charlatans when Jesus cautioned them to rejoice only that their names were in the book of life, and Jesus was surely not a charlatan when they tried to put him on a pedestal and make him a king. Barry I am that lady!! Rom 12:3 For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think [of himself] more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith. 542. And they said to him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost. One day, after they had put GOD IN A BOX, they did not INQUIRE OF THE LORD and just took the Ark of the Lord and put it in front of them and went into battle. And we are not of weak faith when we weep and plead with the Father on somebodys behalf or stick our neck out to warn. Fearmongers is a negative description of people who warn others. b) to fear, be afraid 'This is Going to Come to America': Evangelist Forced to Flee Denmark and Seek Asylum in US, Evangelist Torben Sndergaard's Wife Says Her Husband Was Not Arrested for 'Smuggling' or Any Other Crime, Mom Chooses Life on an Abortionist's Table, Finally Meets Her Grateful Son 2 Decades Later and the Tears Flow, 'The Chosen' Creators Announce Season 3 Finale to Premiere in Theaters Nationwide - The Reaction Is Stunning, Viral Video: Mall Security Guard Tells Man Wearing 'Jesus Saves' T-Shirt 'Take It Off Or Leave', 'All Glory to GOD!' These are those who are like back-seat drivers; they love to stereotype and put all healing gifters into the same box. John 9:4 These two are Gods fool proof acid tests . If a man comes performing miracles and his LIFESTYLE is one of self seeking, self indulgence, immorality, greed, materialism, selfish ambition THAT MAN IS A WOLF! Jesus 1st miracle was getting a whole wedding party DRUNK.by turning water into the very best of wines. Lord heal out hearts of the cynicism. I am fortunate to have a dedicated group of believers in my life wherein we hold each other accountable and encourage each other in a daily walk in the spirit. In early church for a season it was said of the Lords work which became so prevalent , This gospel is spreading to more and more people so that everyone in Asia Minor has heard about it and from that time forward the name of Jesus became greatly feared amoung all the poeple and this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in the whole world and then the end will come.. Certainly going to a local village for instance and seeing the Elder of a village get healed dramatically by us, is going to get the attention of the whole village on God very quickly and allow the preaching of the word to follow without effort. Finally we are in Torbin people who move in power in Jesus name who are fully clothed and in their right minds!. Han er stifter og talsperson for "The Last Reformation" med titusindvis af flgere. Seymour shook his head and responded, Thats not good. Never! Attacks against his ministry in Denmark began in 2016 when the Jesus Center was investigated by six different Danish government agencies for everything from food safety to unpaid taxes. healings and miracles, etc. Christ is the greatest servant, and only He through us serves us and others. truly revolutionary but also very simple about getting back True Faithnot Emotional Faith.but TRUE FAITH believes in the TOTAL SOVEREIGNTY OF GOD. a mans steps are ordered by the Lord, and He ponders all of his goingsthis is the word I received while watching this videoHe watches over His Word to Perform It! He explained that the Lord always required him to begin his ministry this way. I want to speak to God in an unknown language as well! Its called jealously, wanting somethingthat someone else has (all be it unbiblical and totally ungodly). And what I learn from these ones is how the Holy Spirit through them has a real heart & compassion for those they come in contact with & that is making me address the `now,` as well as an eye on `direction.`. Just a glimpse of God`s great work. Torben is doing what is commanded in New testimant Christianity. I do not see anything wrong with what they are doing. "The beauty of it was that in the course of explaining and teaching the court about what it means to walk out one's faith as a Christian, Torben was able to share scripture.". We dont just sit back and say well God will take care of everybody so I dont have to be concerned or do at thing. Johnathan Isreal- I am not ashamed to take the Lords name Christian you can say it was a handle the worldly people mockingly gave to the early followers of Jesus Christ if you want ( I doubt you are right about that enormous leap of assumption as the text does not say what you so dogmatically assume. I saw a lady several weeks later who looked like this lady but because this lady was a normal size I thought it might be her sister . We are to give witness to the resurrection of Jesus Christ, that He is alive in us doing the same works and even greater works. Elijah prayed ONE SENTENCE and fire instantly fell from God. : of, relating to, or caused by witchcraft OR THE SUPERNATURAL : magical Torben Sndergaard (1976-) is a Danish Christian evangelist, self-proclaimed apostle, and faith healer, who claims to receive revelations and visions directly from God. By whose authority do you come hear and tell us that those people were not healed by Jesus? In the early 80s, I suffered from a ruptured/prolapsed/slipped disc in my lower back. This sectarianism which Jesus condemned, is the spirit which dominated the Roman Church and was inherited by the Protestants. It could be the GLORY Face like Moses manifested. They believe in the Divinity, they must be our brother/sister, right? 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