Yes I believe that Paul was influenced by his teacher Gamaliel and his experience of being a Pharisee, but I do not think these were the only factors shaping how and what Paul taught and wrote. Phillip J. Long- Sorry i have nothing to learn from replacement theology or of Constantine Christianity followers who believe that somehow eventhough the book is filled with Jews or converts practicing Judaism is magically replaced by ridiculous made up church doctrine. I would agree that Saul takes a different approach than Gamaliel to the upstart church at the beginning of Acts, but I will insist that he returns to the teachings of his youth after his conversion (no doubt in no small part due to the Holy Spirit). Minhags- customs attached to moses and the oral law to make them valid that were infact against Torah and corrupt. I will say, The Jewish account maintains that he remained a Pharisee until his death makes perfect sense since we know that there were other Pharisees who were Christians in Acts 15, and Paul still claims to be a Pharisee when he testifies before the Sanhedrin in Acts 23:6. I am not at all sure you have read my article accurately, nor really spent much time on this site reading the things I post here. Like a little squirrel dressed up As a flying superhero We give ourselves the Title And zoom around the atmosphere Oh! The people who Paul persecuted were diaspora Jews who accepted Jesus as Messiah and claimed that he was raised from the dead. Youre putting your western views on a Hebraic book that is of near eastern culture. If Saul is in fact a disciple of Gamaliel, then he seems to have a considerably different opinion on how to handle the apostolic witness when we meet him in Acts 9. If probably, then how would we know whether Paul ever pulled a rare Justice Rehnquist move, where Rehnquist sides with liberal Justices and dissents against conservatives in weird and inexplicable single cases or two? Perhaps on the basis of a preserved tradition that he oversaw the body of St. Stephen. Ridiculous. Three hours, noon to 3 pm. Second, Gamaliel taught between A.D. 22-55, so we can get an approximate early date for Pauls education. There are many of us Red Letter Christians out here in evangelical land. The rabbi Gamaliel was a Pharisee in the tradition of the great Hillel. For example, I talk a bit about this issue in these posts: https://readingacts.com/2013/08/29/the-new-perspective-on-paul-did-paul-convert-to-christianity/, https://readingacts.com/2013/09/08/paul-and-judaism/, https://readingacts.com/2017/09/04/was-paul-a-pharisee/. Thats the short version of my definition of what is an Apostle.. This is your only warning before being banned for incivility. So what is the application of this parable? Well, I did take a few music classes there part-time for two or three semesters, and one time, Marco Barrientos was a substitute teacher in one of my classes for maybe 45 minutes. These mostly have something to do with marriage and divorce. Some of its magic, some its tragic, but Ive had a good life along the way. -Jimmy Buffett. (Rom. 15: 8-11 etc. Then when the paint is dry, Ill move back into the house, and you can paint the garage., The painting contractor hired a new foreman named Paul, and gave him the homeowners instructions. imitate me.. I am not at all removing Paul (or Jesus) from the culture of the Second Temple period, but I certainly more aware of what was happening in the first century that you appear to be. I would not limit the intervention of God in the light of Pauls claim in Galatians 1 that God had prepared him before he was born for the grace he has received (Gal 1:15). Paul, however, I think was so strongly devoted to the strict teachings of the Torah, that he had to fundamentally had to disagree with his teacher. This message was not the Gospel. Paul was actually heeding the words of his teacher Gamaliel, who had said to guard against being "found fighters actually against God" by rejecting his pharisaical life and becoming a disciple of Jesus Christ. Polhill does say So perhaps around the age of fourteen to sixteen Pawl went to Jerusalem to study under Gamaliel (Polhill 30). So even if he did go off at the age of 15 then that is still 15 years of being influenced by his father. If Paul began study at the latest age of 16, we can guess a birth year of about 6 at the earliest. STEP 6) LOOP- REPEAT steps 1 through 5, until your dance partner gives up, the audience gets bored, or the music stops. I have regularly recommended you start your own blog and have these sorts of discussions there. There is so much theological supposing these days! He was the son of Simeon ben Hillel and grandson of the great Jewish teacher Hillel the Elder. You are Simon son of John said Jesus, without elaboration. The Apostle Paul met him during his second missionary journey and he became Paul's companion and missionary partner along with Silas. You do not know what my background or what ive read. For one of these must become a witness with us of his resurrection. [Acts 1:21-22]. Paul = "little". I wont say Im high on Jesus, and so using a mind-altering drug for recreational purposes is wrong, because Jesus is better. I dont want to be rejected by my peers. Since November 2021, Reading Acts is edited by Sarah Westphal. If you think Im wrong, Jesus commands you (Matthew chapter 18) to show me my fault. Paul was probably making reference to some of the Hebrew Scriptures, quite likely including the Law and the Prophets. Maybe there is someone I could bounce this off, to get some ideas. Paul claims to have been educated by Gamaliel, one of the premier teachers of the Law in the first century. That is absolutely incorrect. Dr. Ron Mosely and the archaeology team has gone through great lengths to disprove your theory by presenting actual archaeological evidence. Paul learned from Gamaliel in many ways that helped him in his ministry such as interpretation. Since I am teaching through Paul and his Letters again this fall, I thought I would revisit that older post and provide some additional thoughts on Gamaliel as background for reading Paul. These would be lofty words for a law abiding Pharisee to be speaking and Paul obviously saw Christ as the laws fulfillment. There are some points I agree and disagree with. I agree, It does make sense a Pharisee would be expected to be married, though. They didnt celebrate easter, christmas, saunday. Ibn Taymiyya is the first I know of who said it in writing but obviously it was known as no Hadith mentioned Paul or a 13th Apostle, did name the 12. (I dare you to use this in your class), I know a girl made of memories and phrases, lives her whole life in chapters and phases -Jimmy Buffett. [erase erase erase], Actually, the same is true for you Thaddaeus, after you were appointed. Gamaliel taught between A.D. 22-55, giving us an approximate early date for Pauls education. Mantra: All Scripture is God-breathed.. In fact, it is in this capacity where he is first mentioned in Acts 5. And Christians do it with pride as there is no Trinity and the Bible doesnt say there is OR that God is more than 1. To know the truth is a blessing from Allah, if I had to guess you just have not been taught what Islam teaches, and we honor all Prophets (pbut) revere the 12 Apostles and have never acknowledged that Paul was one of Jesus (p) Apostles, but have always known he was responsible for the corruption of the Truth about God and the Messiah (p). I also was struck by the context in Pauls frequent use of athletic analogies. I also imagine Yoda being Gamaliel and Luke Skywalker being Paul. Gamaliel and his beliefs seem to have a fairly large impact on Paul and his theology. (Definition from the American Heritage Dictionary.) FWIW, the name is spelled Ron Moseley. In Acts 14:23, we read: Paul and Barnabas appointed elders for them in each church. We cannot work on assumption that Paul was different to what the book of Acts says. ). The Apostle Peter made reference to Prophecy of Scripture, not All Scripture, and no its not the same thing at all. Upgrade to remove ads. Paint the house first, and Ill stay in the garage until youre done. Paul cannot stand alone in opposition to Jesus and everyone else. So the biggest problem with the church in Corinth was Paul himself, and his abusive absentee leadership style. Here are 5 to get the discussion started: .1) Pauls boastful conflicting false testimonies, exaggerating and making things up about his conversion experience in Acts 22 & 26, compared to what actually happened (recorded by Luke in Acts 9). Evidence for this more accommodating opinion is found in the book of Acts, although some (like Chilton) are not completely convinced Acts portrays Gamaliel accurately. The Lord God Jesus the Jewish Messiah, Son of Yahweh the Most High God of Israel, said: All the Law and the Prophets hang on these TWO commandments. Not one. Good to see the parrot-heads well represented here. Friend, I want to hire you and your team to paint my house and my garage. Those educational credentials allowed Paul to preach in the synagogues wherever he traveled (see Acts 17:2 ). (Acts 8:1-2, 9:1-2) It is easy to gather from his writings that Paul was a very passionate person all around. Whom did Paul study under? [1 & 2 Corinthians.}. Well then, I will stop responding to you since you are not interested in learning anything which does not conform to your already-made-up mind. The people who Paul persecuted were diaspora Jews who accepted Jesus as Messiah and claimed that he was raised from the dead. I will leave that to the Ruah, my rabbi and the Yeshiva (that ive been attending for years) I attend. For this he is slandered with pride by Christians who if believed in the Bible would reject mainstream theology for the lie it is. ), STEP 5) Paul said; I do not understand what I do. Train a child in the way he should go, and when he is old, he will not depart from it (Proverbs 22.6). The answer to that question is, they have been listening to the voice of Paul, rather than the voices of Jesus and the Original Apostles. You have a rather closed worldview and are blind to what I have said. . Posting links about Judaism doesnt correlate that you actually understand Judaism. And I need to save a throne for my mom, or shell be mad. Several people objected that it does not really matter who Pauls human teachers were, after his conversion experience he was taught by the Holy Spirit. The issue wasnt the Torah, the issue it was the corrupted law that man attached to the Torah. Or does he break away from Gamaliel and the Pharisees in other ways? Who was Gamaliel in the Bible? As a novice here, I have a question: Why was Gamaliel not as tolerant with Jesus as he was with Paul? The NIV translation inserts the heading Matthias Chosen to Replace Judas for the passage Luke wrote in Acts 1:12-26]. People trained by Paul to carry on the work after he left. This was like most of Pauls ministry, always doing what God told him and doing what was against the grain. brought up . But he certainly does not handle the NT very well from what I have read. QUOTE The Bible is none other than the voice of Him that sitteth upon the throne! One of them responded to me QUOTE: In short you believe Paul is the Anti Christ.. Not a new theory Mostly just misunderstanding Pauls writings..He never preached to abolish The Torah thats a misunderstanding https://unashamedofjesus.org/2016/05/31/greatest-commandment/#comment-5642, The other one responded to me QUOTE: When you referred to Jesus words about the greatest commandment, you neglected to mention the context. This also convinces me that even though it seems he split from Gamaliel, early on, that did not change him into something completely opposite. What is undisputed is that Gamaliel was "held in . Paul is inferior, Jesus is superior. Paul being the prodigal student, as it were, and departing from his mentor to do whatever he wants, abandoning his teachings, and then returning later when he realizes how foolish he was. The will of God is plainly revealed, showing all that man is to do, to be, to suffer, and enjoy. I dont think breakthrough in our faith randomly happens. 3). I am truly a man which am a Jew, born in Tarsus, a city in Cilicia, yet brought up in this city at the feet of Gamaliel, and taught according to the perfect manner of the law of the fathers, and was zealous toward God, as you all are this day. Who did Apostle Paul study under? This mantra is a misinterpretation out of context of 2 Timothy 3:16. Eryk, have you ever heard of dual citizenship? We cannot prove that Judas was present at that time, and we cannot prove that Matthias was absent at that time when Jesus spoke those words. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do. There were at least 2 elements of Paul's training. "Paul claims to have been educated by Gamaliel, one of the premier teachers of the Law in the first century. If Paul began study at the latest age of 16, we can guess a birth year of about A.D. 6 at the earliest. Both, it would seem, are not the case. Sticking with Acts, Gamaliel counsels caution in Acts 5, Rabbi Saul seems to abandon caution by Acts 7. In fact, it almost sounds as if he is name-dropping in order to impress people! Its not prejudice, youre blatantly misquoting Paul, Shammi and Hillel. His most recent book is The Book of Enoch for Beginners: A Guide to Expand Your Understanding of the Biblical World (Rockridge, 2022). To be more like Jesus is what some strive except for me Ive already arrived Im the perfect model since the road to Damascus What were Pauls sins? Lets see. Contemporary Jewish records continue to list him first among the Sanhedrin.[24]. Jesus never said anything like that, and Jesus did not see it that way. As sort of my own counter point against my first paragraph, It is not surprising then that Paul acts out the way he does. So it is possible they left out the respected Pharisee Gamaliel so that he would not oppose crucifixion. What was Paul's purpose in the Bible? According to tradition, Gamaliel and Nicodemus buried Saint Stephen outside of Jerusalem. Good point. Hes actually stating his lineage and why he should have the floor to speak. ), STEP 4) Paul said; Not that I have already obtained all this, or have already been made perfect, but I press on to take hold of that for which Christ Jesus took hold of me. Paul wrote: The entire law is summed up in a SINGLE command: Love your neighbor as yourself. [Galatians 5:14, Leviticus 19:18], And again, Paul wrote: He who loves his fellowman has fulfilled the law. Mantra: Heil Hitler., .2) The self-appointed Prophet Muhammad, author of The Koran. Here are 3 examples. They also believed gentiles could convert and be in covenant but there needed to be structure to convert. If Paul's conversion, as described in Acts was a literal event, the account would not so clearly appear to be based on the Greek classics. Why are you waiting, be of those who bow to Gods Will if you know that the Bible has lies in it and is corrupt, you must believe that a true religion exists in the world and isnt a secluded secret for the few who know! What is the meaning of Tentmaker? Gamaliel taught between A.D. 22-55, giving us an approximate early date for Paul's education. Jesus was asked twice, by two different men, the same basic question about which is the most important or greatest commandment in the Law. What Jesus clearly and specifically said is also superior and more important than your opinions about what you think Jesus meant or implied, but didnt say elsewhere. According to Jesus, which Commandment is the Most Important? There are three things bearing on this subject among the incidental intimations which we have in respect to the early history of Saul, viz. When and where did they first meet. If the mere thought of questioning Pauline Doctrine or Pauls truthfulness ruffles your feathers, its a sign that Pauls rotten spiritual fruit has taken root in your life. His epertise in Sitz im Leben however, if not normally impeccable, is usually of a high academic calibre indeed. When Saul encountered the Lords voice in Acts chapter 9, it makes me question if Saul had been hearing the Lords voice sooner, but he was not listening? Jesus did not see even the Hebrew Scriptures, what we call the Old Testament, as a whole unit or book that was all equal or all truly Gods words. Jesus spoke of The Law, or The Law and the Prophets, holding these 2 sections of the Old Testament above the third, least important sections the Writings. And Jesus held the Psalms, the first book of the Writings section, above the other books in the Writings section in importance, since some parts of some Psalms are prophetic. Paul is the model pastor for many modern Pauls like; a) Bob Coy, who still owns all the assets and controls all the money at his cult known as Calvary Chapel Fort Lauderdale, in spite of his recent resignation as Senior Pastor there due to adultery with multiple woman and other major sins that he still has never specifically admitted to personally. Why not listen to Jesus, and His words written down and passed on by HIS faithful eyewitnesses, the Apostles HE personally appointed, and personally trained for over 3 years, Matthew and John? Paul would never have slowed down on his preaching to write the books in the bible we have to learn from, so God put him in prison. Every Book of it, every Chapter of it, every Verse of it, every word of it, every syllable of it.. every letter of it, is the direct utterance of the Most High!, Not all the Christians think this way about the Bible however., It depends greatly on which Jesus, and what you mean by believe. The underlying basis is, what is the supreme written Word of God, above all others?, I believe in the Jesus of the Gospels (Matthew Mark Luke & John in the Christian Bible.). I admit this is all speculation and I dont have a shred of evidence for any of this but it makes me wonder if Paul was trying to start something extraordinary within Judaism (As he mentions in his defense in Acts 22) and God harnessed that ambition for the glory and advancement of His Church. Gamaliel the Elder, or Rabban Gamaliel I, was a leading authority in the Sanhedrin in the early first century CE. Just as Muslims believe that Muhammad never intentionally disobeyed God, Roman Catholics believe Mary was sinless and Evangelical Christians think its heresy to state flatly Paul was WRONG., The Apostle Matthew recorded that at Jesus baptism, A voice from heaven said, This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased. [Matthew 3:17], In Gospel of Mark (Mark recorded the teaching of the Apostle Peter), we read: a voice came from the cloud: This is my Son, whom I love. Reliability is certainly an issue. With respect to Hellenism, Hillel was more open to Hellenism than Shammai and was therefore more open to cooperation with the Romans. Jesus is always right. / Line ID 0840450211. Paul is not a liar; he just has a dual citizenship. Indeed in this case Christian tradition cannot really be trusted, in my opinion. gamaliel was the greatest of the teachers of the pharisees, perhaps of all time, because he was said to have known the law at a doctorate level, so it was with great wisdom that he told the. Acts 22:3. [Acts 20:31 vs Acts 19:8-10], .4) Paul abandoning the Church in Corinth after a year and a half for no obvious reason, and going off on another long trip, mostly on his own, without appointing anyone else in Corinth as overseer, or giving anyone else any specific authority in the Church in Corinth. Tobit is a good reference In the Babylonian Talmud, Zevahim 97b and 100b there are statements given in the name of Rabbi Akiva that in the case of an unclaimed body, if no one is attending to it, the responsibility for the buriasl of this corpse falls on this person, who must do it despite any obstacles, regardless if one is a High Priest or Nazirite, neither of whom are allowed to become tamei, ritually impure. Only $35.99/year. Phillip J. This applies to the Pharisee sect. Note also that there were more than one Rabbi named Gamaliel. He states not only is he a Pharisee, but where he studied and what tribe he is from. If I were a missionary to England, I would certainly want to learn all I could about football, tea, and Doctor Who. Imagine Wackyjesus in Wackyheaven, built on the foundations of 12 chalkboards: Matthias, you should have developed your skills in writing and public speaking. Benjamin was a euphemism for Herodian Jew btw so Pharisee or not Paul was loyal to Herod, his friend was foster brother of Herod the tetrarch or Herod something, but Herod. The message of The 11 (The narrow gate), The eleven disciples went to Galilee Where Jesus had told them to go They heard His voice and obeyed His will Despite uncertainty down below, Jesus spoke to them at length He wasnt really a Tweeter Only 3 of them wrote Scripture Matthew John and Peter, Feed my sheep said Jesus, for though Heaven and earth will pass away I have the words of eternal life and My words will never pass away, Enter through the narrow gate The voice of Jesus through the eleven Believe in Jesus through their message And eat from the tree of life in heaven. To think that all Jewish people were completely unified is to share the same fantasy Christians have about the early church. His dissertation was published as Jesus the Bridegroom by Pickwick Books in 2012. Sages of the time didn't have formal recognition or title. Therefore, he must have planted these groups himself. Although Gamaliel was a wise teacher, he was still a Pharisee, so his teaching was not in line with God. Rabbis are Reubenites. Paul probably understood Judaism better than all of these false teachers put together. Shaul and Yehusa were both Jews who practiced Judaism, worshiped in synagogues, at the temple and were part of Jewish society and culture. The relics were found on 3 August AD 415. While Paul was studying under Gamaliel he was exposed to Hellenism, including the gymnasium. Yes I agree its a commandment given by Jesus, its not optional, and it applies to us today. It sounds so right, so intelligent, so professional, so godly.. but it is fundamentally flawed. You might be interested: Was Paul The Apostle Alive When Jesus Lived? The second passage refers to Paul. Calling the Twelve to him, he sent them out two by two and gave them authority over evil spirits. [Mark 6:6-7], .2) Gospel of Luke time lag between being appointed and being sent One of those days Jesus went out to a mountainside to pray, and spent the night praying to God. I interpret 6 months of silence to mean: even if no one here has the courage to agree with me publicly, no one in the world can open a Bible and prove me wrong from the Bible text on these specific points Ive raised here. Had Paul studied under the great rabbi Gamaliel, he would have learnt the scriptures in the Hebrew lan. Plenty of time for him to get familiar with popular Greek culture in order to draw appropriate analogies. I am not sure God as incarnate is the issue, that is certainly not what is preached in Acts 2-3. He just doesnt suddenly become submission to government and punishment, or in his words a prisoner of Jesus Christ. He is, at least, in some small way returning to what he could have been taught by Gamaliel. ). ), STEP 1) Paul said; I was once a blasphemer and a persecutor and a violent man. 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